July 8th Update so far from JacksonVAEG hearing this morning

Attorneys discussed they want to play Dr Finkelstein depo, he testified there was A box of Demerol with Karen Fayes name on it,

Cahan says KF did say there may have been prescriptions in her name she cant be sure, When Dr Metzger was in Bangkok he was taken to MJs room, and was handed box of Demerol which had KF name on it, someone has bought it to Bangkok.

Boyle: reads Dr Finkelsteins depo, he said KF told him it was in her name,

Cahan: we are not presenting it for the truth, but to show it was for MJ and Dr Metzger was treating MJ, he was told it was for the scalp injury, Dr Finkelstein felt it was appropriate to use it for MJ

Judge: but are you offering it for the truth.

Cahan: we are not offering it for the truth, just to show Michael Jackson was using Demerol which was prescribed in someone else’s name

Boyle: Dr Finkelstein testified the Demerol was for MJ because he was told by Karen Faye, he assumed they were prescribed to Karen Fayed because it was her name on the box. It was prescribed by Dr Metzger

Cahan wants to propose

Judge, maybe you can agree to stipulation and leave out some of the testimonies.

Boyle: thinks that part of the testimony should not be heard by the jurors, its hearsay

Cahan: we are going to have Metzger here to testify to that

Judge: he is going to get on the stand and say he prescribed meds in other peoples names, for MJ
Cahan: well he got in trouble for it

Panish: he will not be testifying to that

Judge: plaintiff has objection

Panish says its hearsay, Judge agrees to leave that part of the testimony out of whats going to be played in front of the jurors

Cahan still arguing, Judge is saying its hearsay as to Dr Finkelstein saying “She told me” meaning Karen Faye told him it was for MJ,

Judge wants it chopped up, but wants to leave out the hearsay. Before Dr Finkelsteins depos is played.

Oh, No court all day Friday. Tomorrow-Tuesday court starts at 1.30

Once I begin to type please note it will be Q and A from the video depo that will be played

Plaintiffs call by way of deposition Dr Steward Finkelstein:
Finkelstein will be referred to as Dr. Questions from Kevin Boyle

Q sir do you know if you still maintain the website for Cerritos family medical group
A. yes it was practice consisting of my wife and others,
Q what I did was add tabs from the top, printed out whats under each tab
A. ok
Q so im going to hand you exhibit 2. And sir exhibit 2 is the addiction tab from Cerritos Medical tab from that website. Is exhibit 2 print out from that tab

A. yes
Q, want to hand you exhibit 2. Have you glanced through is that the detox portion from the Cerritos portion of that website
A. Yes

Sorry missed next exhibits, someone walked in, had to get up

All are exhibits which are printout of the tabs of the website, contact us, about us, etc

Q. can you go to about us portion please, DR are you specialists in inter and addiction med. Inter from ?? residency Long Beach

A. yes

Q two addiction page, second full paragraph, Dr had been leader in treating addiction in 20 years

A. Yes

Q. what other training have you had

A. 95 certifications tests, 2010 became A board, im boarded by American board in addiction medicine

Prior to 95 were you treating? I was fulfilling my requirements, 50% time treating addiction med, and continuing medical educations for treating addiction meds. Two years to sit for the test, 4 years to get that. Started working in psychiatrist facility and treating detox,


What year did you finish you med residency? 93

What year did you work at psychiatrist facility? From 93 onward worked at Charter hospital, college hospital Cerritos,


Consider yourself expert? Yes

We are talking about world famous MJ, did you meet him? Yes hired to go on tour called Dangerous in 93, was in Bangkok, MJ came to perform concert, after that I was requested to go to his hotel room

Who hired you? MAMA Marcel Avram,

What was your role supposed to be? Physician for the crew

Also the artist? Yep


Who provided your transportation to Bangkok? The tour

Did you see MJ before you were asked to go to his room? No

Who asked you to go to his room? Probably one of the security was sent to summonsed me

Do you know why you were summonsed? No

What did he say? You need to go to the principal’s room

What else did that security say? I cant remember if it was security

What did you see in the room? Mr Jackson, he appeared to be in pain, I was put on the phone wih his treating physician in LA, Dr Metzger told me MJ was in lot of pain he asked me to administer pain med

Did he tell you what to administer? I cant remember what he said, I attempted to give him A shot of Demerol, but his buttock was so abscessed, the needle almost bent, that was not safe route to administer med, it may not get to him, so I administered A IV and gave him morphine

Asked what is opioids

At this meeting when you gave morphine, what did you do next? Can I clarify, at that time I was not an expert, I was studying

You were studying, you were licensed to do, you know what you were doing? Yes

??? I spent then next 24 hrs In his room, until MJ was capable of going on to perform on stage.

The 24hrs you were intermittently administering meds, what was it? Morphine and iv fluids

Was MJ awake? Yes

What were you doing? We were talking about hayvenhurst, watching 3 stooges, ++++ chatting

Did he go on stage as soon as this 24 hr period ended? Yes

Did he perform, did he look ok to you? Yes, the second concert in Bangkok was postponed at my recommendation for A day. I was on CNN, there was A publicist there, the sound bite was MJ is dehydrated, I went on to TV and said that

Was mj dehydrated? Yes
But was he suffering from anything else? I thought he had A opiate problem

Do you mean dependency? Yes

What opiates was he dependent on? The way you ask that is tough question for me, there was two Ampials of Demerol handed to me,

Why are you telling me that? You asked me if there was A problem, MJ had high tolerance to meds, it created concern for me, MJ had durhesic fetyl patch, the ampials need to be injected,

Where did you see the ampials? They were given to me by hair

Karen Faye? Yes,

Did you have any discussions with her about that? Not that I can recall
When she gave them to you was it your understanding they were for MJ? Yes

Is that why you felt MJ had A dependency to opiates? Yes

So we have the patch, ampials gven to you by Karen Faye, scaring on MJ buttock, high tolerance, led you to believe? That he was dependent on opiates

Did you ask him any questions about opiates? No

Was Mr Gongaware tour manager of that tour? I don’t know his title he was my friend, he used to be road manager working for Concert West, he worked for Warren Miller, we skied together, its because of Gongaware I got involved on the Dangerous tour, he called me to come on the tour

Was compensation discussed, who would be providing that? The promoter Marcel

When the Bangkok show got postponed, did Gongaware postpone it? I did

Did you tell Mr Gongware about anything? Yes, I told him I think we have A problem, cant remember exactly what I said

Did you tell him MJ had A dependency to opiates? Yes he told me don’t be A Dr Nick, that was Elvis Doctor

So was it your understanding PG knew you were providing Mj with meds? Yes there was A meeting I informed them about problems with Michael Jackson

Did you tell them MJ had dependency on opiates? You are asking me to speculate, I told them I don’t know if they believed me,

And PG was at that meeting? Well I made that statement to him regardless of whether he was at the meeting

You say they didn’t believe you? Well I wasn’t A addiction specialist, they didn’t believe me, my concern was for MJ, I informed the promoters and PG,

As what point did they come to believe you? Yes in Mexico City, after MJ went on stage another Doctor came from England, I left when I got back my suitcase with all the meds my suit case was broken into, that doctor told me he took the meds, and said he didn’t want to get the blame for A problem he had inherited

What did you do? I wanted to detox him in Switzerland and go on with the tour

Was that doctor Dr Forecast? Yes
Why did he break into your case? I had enough meds for what I thought 160 people would need in third world countries, so had many meds

What med did he take? Pain med

Demerol? I cant remember Demerol or morphine

Was that first time you say Dr Forecast? No,

In Mexico you saw Forecast administering meds to MJ? Yes
Then what happened? They powers got together, they called Liz Taylor and got MJ to London

Who are the powers? I don’t know, managers, promoters

Was Gongware part of that group? Don’t know

Did MJ collapse in Mexico? No it seemed Forecast was having hard time keeping up, also there was deposition for child molestation charge from Chandler

Did those claims increase MJs problems? Yes,

So there were cancellations? Interventions

Did Liz come to get MJ,? Yes

Were they cancelled? I don’t know if they were postponed or canceled, but we stayed much longer in Mexico then anticipated

Do you know what Forecast role was on tour? Are you asking me to speculate

No what did you see him doing? He took care of the principal, Mr Jackson

Do you know who was employing forecast? For sure or. NO

Was Gongaware in Mexico? Yes he was my friend, we talked all the time

Do you think you would have told PG of MJs probs? Of course

Then what happened in the tour? I went home

Do you know length of time between Bangkok and Mexico? Approx. 3 mths
Was forecast on tour entire time? Correct

Did Forecast administer meds the whole time? I saw him do it in Mexico during depo, we were in communication, he didn’t want to take the hit for what other Doctors had done to him

Did you have understanding MJ had burn injury? Yes

From where? Pepsi commercial

How do you know he took meds ? from conversations with Karen Faye


Is dependency A character flaw? No, it’s a brain disease, if they are exposed enough to it their brain becomes dependent on it, or its generic



The reason MJ was dependent was it because he was A weak person, would you agree to that? NO

How do you describe MJ? HE WAS A SWEETHEART, HE WAS KIND

Did you ever see him yelling, demanding, things? NO

He didn’t treat people bad if they were in lower rank? No

Gongaware was on tour the whole time on tour? Yes

Do you have any thoughts how Gongaware could help MJ get better? We had that discussion with Forecast, and that was to do an interventions

Between Bangkok and Mexico any cancelations? Yes there were frequent cancelation and postponements


After Mexico you never joined the tour? No, it didn’t carry on

After Dangerous tour did you work with mj again? No

On tours? No

Any music related events? I get called out to staple center, if someone has sore throat, sprained ankle, or other complaints, I was there two weeks ago

Were you called By AEG personal? By promoters, as rock doc, I don’t know how my name is out there, probably bc I’ve been doing it for 30 yrs


You get called to Orange county to do similar work? Yes

When did that start getting called at Staple Center as “Rock Doc”? probably since 83 when my older brother was managing Concert West, before Staple center was doing concerts as AEG

Did you ever get contacted again for MJ? Yes, month to two months before MJs death

And who contacted you? PG

What did he say? Hey stewy you may have another chance to go on tour with Michael Jackson


How many calls did you get for this tour? 5-10

What did you talk about? I said is he clean?

What did he say? Yes’

Why did you ask that? I didn’t want A repeat of what happened before

What else? I asked him how he know mj was clean, he said they had A medical, and MJ s Physician said he was clean, and he asked me how much I wanted to charge


How much did you want? $10,000 A week, $40,000

Did Gongaware want you to go on tour? Yes he wanted me to he was working it out for me

Obviously you didn’t go? Correct
Were you ever told you were not going to be hired? Must have been

Did you learn anything from actually speaking to Gongaware bout Murray? I remember there was A lot of money

Did you discuss with Gongaware about MJ problems? He told me he though MJ was clean, bc he passed his medical

Was there any discussions about what happened in Bangkok? No

Is Propofol an opioid? No

Someone who is opioid dependent seek out other meds to curb there problems? Yes its very common, for some reason they gravitate to “Gabo receptor” drugs, (names lots of drugs, ++barbiturates) and Propofol. Usually with Propofol it occurs with those in the medical field, it has A high fatality rate its not something you mess around with, there is no reversal agent for it, there have been 80 cases of Propofol addiction reported

What about alcohol, would someone who has opioid dependency use alcohol? Yes

You have all walks of life that have opioid dependency? Correct

Lawyers, mothers, fathers, etc. etc.,? yes

What is “rock doc” ? I don’t know, but the newspaper put me on the front page, I don’t know how your name gets on that list,

Bob Finkelstein used to be manager of Concert West and Management 3, Paul Gongaware knew him

Do you know Randy Phillips? Yes he has something to do with Anschutz group, seen him at birthday parties, John Meglan, he works for AEG,

Have you seen him at music events? Yes but No meaningful conversation

Back to PG and TII tour was anything else discussed aside from what we have discussed?

What it discussed if housing would be provided for you in UK? No
Transportation? NO, there were not A lot of discussion till I get hired

And you were told by PG why you were not getting hired? Yes he told me Michael wanted A different doctor

Did he tell you CM was A cardiologist? We didn’t talk much about that at all, PG was my friend,



CAHAN NOW QUESTIONING DR FINKELSTEIN

You testified you administered iv to MJ, what dosage of demeroal was it? 150 over

Would that be typical to those that are naïve to opioids? Yes

Was it in his buttock? I tried

He had A lot of scarring ? yes

Do you know how many shots he may have had? Significant, extensive amount

Why did you think it was opioids injections that caused the scarring? Bc he had A patch on, there was another person with two ampial

Do you recall whose name those were prescribed to? Yes, Karen Faye


Demerol was not for KF, who was it prescribed by? Dr Metzger,

What was morphine dose? 10mill
Repeated? Yes
How many over 24hrs? don’t know

Is that typical starting dose? No
What is starting dose? 2-3

Did mj say anything to do in regards to opioids? I based it on observations

Was he suffering pain? Yes

Did you ever administer pain meds when he was not In pain? No

Every time you administered pain med did you believe he was suffering pain? Yes

You were asked what PG know about MJ during tour, setting aside that first meeting if PG attent;;;;;;;;;;;(sorry laptop died at this point, lost few q and A)






Still Cahan questioning Dr Finkelstein

Did Forecast ever tell you MJ was secretive about what drugs were being administered? It was always secretive, no one doctor knew the full story,

Other then speaking to forecast on tour did you ever speak with him again? Once in 95 corresponded with him, I was asked to go and see Michael because he was in pain, then I went on dive trip, for some reason MJ canceled rehearsal, I faxed my records over to Dr Metzger


BACK TO BOYLE

Did you have antidote? yes Narcan. If I am going to administer medication, I am going to have safety plan

You mentioned Klein came on Dangerous tour? Yes he would come in repeatedly

How about Dr Hoffman, ? he came couple time for weekend on Dangerous tour

Did you spend time with him? No

You were not on History tour? No

Do you have any medical records of meds administered in Bangkok? No they were stolen in Istanbul

So you made records? Yes

In Mexico? I kept A journal of everything I did but those were stolen in Istanbul. I had records from one visit in 95, but they got filed if I don’t see anyone for A long time, so they got called out, disposed of

All those records of treating MJ? Yes

So any records you had of treating MJ were stolen, destroyed? Yes

can you tell me about your visit to MJ in 95? I had A call from Brad Buxer He was having back spasm


DEPOSITION ENDED, KEVIN BOYLE HAS SUBMITTED INTO EVIDENCE INCLUDING EXHIBITS.

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