exchange with monckton's wagga debate organiser #auspol @rodgerrodgersu

Hi
I am wondering if the Climate Change Debate that Monckton will be attending (19th March) will be open to he public? May I suggest you extend an invitation to Dr Tim Flannery to participate, who I am sure would be delighted if he has no prior engagements. It seems only fair if one side of the debate has a man who is highly accomplished at lies and distortions to have a real climate change expert to bring balance and truth to the debate.
cheers


G’day,

Lord Christopher Monckton is his title so why don’t you show the same respect to him that you show to your beloved doctor of paleontology, Tim Flannery, the man who is living off the fat of Australian taxpayers in his bogus role of ‘Climate Change Commissioner’, the man who made the ridiculous statement that our dams might never fill up again shortly before heavy rainfalls helped fill them up again, and the man who has said nothing about the recent evidence of the UK’s MET Office Hadley Centre that there has been no warming for 16 years?
If we want balance and truth about the state of the climate, I don’t think the paleontologist is our man.

Cheers!
Paul


Paul McCormack
Thanks for your delightful reply. I'm sure the diocese will be pleased with your PR skills, will this be the same tone your debate takes? I'm sure you have been informed previously Monckton is not a lord, not even a scientist, but you can call him what you like. Its warming to see you misquote and misrepresent Dr Tim Flannery. Its also fitting to point out that MET disputes the claims originally made in a UK tabloid as cherry picked data and distortions of fact.

It would seem that in your haste to start the debate early, you have failed to answer my original question. Will the debate be open to the general public or only those that believe in your fake lord?

Cheers

Wayne


Wayne,

I’m not an employee of the Diocese so they can think what they like of my PR skills. I answer to a higher authority! Lord Monckton is a lord and this is recognised by all but the most ignorant of people. I haven’t misrepresented Flannery: he said himself that the dams would not fill again on the eve of those enormous rain events that brought floods to many parts of Australia. (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/wet-behind-the-ears-on-climate/story-e6frgd0x-1226292581646)
It’s interesting that even Rajendra Pachauri admits there has been no warming over the past 17 years (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nothing-off-limits-in-climate-debate/story-e6frg6n6-1226583112134).
In answer to your question about the debate being open to the public or not, that won’t be for me to decide. It appears that the Greens party is backing away from bringing a Senator to debate Lord Monckton, which would be disappointing.

Regards,
Paul



Paul

Which higher authority do you answer to? The Heartland Institute that does the bidding of Big Oil and Big Tobacco?

Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley has never sat in the House of Lords and is not entitled to. Therefore he is not a Lord as you claim. This is a very simple indisputable fact. He holds a hereitary title, that is all.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords_Act_1999

"The House Of Lords themselves state that "Christopher Monckton is not and has never been a Member of the House of Lords. There is no such thing as a 'non-voting' or 'honorary' member." When Monckton persisted with the lie, the House of Lords took the unprecedented step of publishing an open letter to him, demanding that he cease and desist."

Source: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Christopher_Monckton

No where in his Wikipedia page is he referred to as "Lord". If he was entitled to use said title don't you think he would be referred to as such in it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley

What Dr Tim Flannery actually said;
"We're already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we're getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that's translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That's because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that's a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we're going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation."

source: http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm

So Dr Tim Flannery did not say {your mis-quote} "dams would not fill again"

In my region we have just experienced the driest summer on record. The fact that 123 weather records were broken in a 90 day period this summer past, strongly points to what the science has been telling us: That man made global warming will see a increase in the number and intensity of extreme weather events.

The Met did not say Global warming has stopped. What they said was the warming gradient slowed, but still continued to rise. They have issued statements in regard to both articles written by David Rose for the Mail on Sunday, which your lie (and link) is based on.
We're not playing Chinese whispers.
Source: http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/met-office-in-the-media-14-october-2012/
Source: http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/met-office-in-the-media-29-january-2012/

The event is open to the public so I'm sure many people will be there with bells on.

Cheers
Wayne



Wayne,

The higher authority I answer to is the New South Wales Board of Studies. Your reference to the Heartland Institute and Big Oil is typical of a person who endorses the massive expenditure of taxpayers’ money given to a mammalogist and paleontologist pretending to be a climatologist, yet develops a knee-jerk response that anyone who disagrees must be funded by some corporation.
Lord Monckton is a Lord. The title may be hereditary but it’s a title nonetheless. If he were not able to be given the title of Lord, why do you think the following letter addressed him as Lord (http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/july/letter-to-viscount-monckton/) That was my initial suggestion to you – that you accord him the respect of referring to him by his proper title as you were so willing to do for your beloved paleontologist Doctor. It had nothing to do with whether he sits in the House of Lords or whether he sits on the throne.
If you can only resort to arguing the exact wording of Dr Flannery’s quote about dams, you’re missing the point altogether. As you copied and pasted into your last message, he said that “even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that's a real worry for the people in the bush.” On that score, he got it completely wrong. Did he ever admit that his forecast turned out to be so wrong? Did he concede that the real worry for people in Brisbane and the bush turned out to be the damage from rising flood waters after the dams became so full that water had to be released from them?
In relation to the Met Office, the graph clearly shows no discernible rise in global temperatures for the past 17 years.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/14/article-2217286-157E3ADF000005DC-561_644x358.jpg

You can continue to believe in catastrophic ‘man-made global warming’ just as you can continue to believe in the tooth fairy. Don’t let me stop you. But you’re going to need to do better than Dr Tim Flannery to try and prop up a case that is crumbling and falling down.

Cheers,
Paul




Paul
Interesting that someone who answers to the New South Wales Board of
Studies is anti-science. The Heartland Institute has a long and well
documented history of disputing proved (and peer-reviewed) scientific
evidence for the benefit of vested interests, its why they exist. Paid
stooges of big business, oil and tobacco.

Monckton's official title is Viscount, it is purely etiquette some
address him as "lord". If he were to be issued a writ of summons to
sit in the House of Lords that would be a different matter, but he has
not nor will he be. As he is not officially a lord and I am not part
of the English class system, I will continue to address him by his
real name, Christopher Monckton.

Even after sending you Dr Flannery's exact quote, you persist with
your lies and misrepresentations. Its called grasping at straws.
Already he is partly correct as some dams around Australia have not
been full for over 15yrs. Flannery was (when taken in context)
discussing possible future scenarios. You are cherry picking
individual words, using them out of context to try and support your
long disproved opinion. Much in the same way the Daily Mail
fraudulently pressented the Met Office data and report.

The link you provided regarding the Met Office data has been
officially debunked by the Met Office. On matters of science I take my
authoritive opinions from scientists and official scientific bodies,
not 3rd rate journalists and Tory political advisors.

Cheers
Wayne

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